The COVID-19 pandemic has led to a decrease in demand for live seafood in Hong Kong and China, which has had both positive and negative effects on the industry. While the drop in demand has allowed endangered reef fish in Indonesia to recover, it has also threatened the survival of sustainable fishing companies. Dr. Yvonne Sadovy from the University of Hong Kong discusses her relationship with Hiru Pernomo, an Indonesian fish trader and leader in sustainable fishing, whose business is struggling due to the pandemic.